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Ever has any success at mixing water and oil, hard to do.
Ever has any success at mixing water and oil, hard to do.
Fariborzpb - the only way the fighting will stop is if there is 1, free state created for all from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan river. This is with 1 rule, 1 law and 1 government. From what I can remember hearing of recently on Press TV, the opinions are that the prospect of there being a '1-state solution' (or even two with East Jerusalem being the Palestinian capital) is driftng further and further away.
Look, nor Jews or Palestinian owns the region anymore. But the most nearest historical owner of the region is Jews. If we NOT talking about religions. And Jews wanted the land. The British as the given mandate by UN give it to Jews. End of story. The other territory other than what British given was taken by Jews as rewards of war. Winner takes, the loser lost. As simple is that. Now if talking about religion, christian, jew and islam, all 3 of them wrote that there is jews, and the kingdom of jews. Why denied that?
There is something pathological about those who are opposed to Israel. The fact that they consider Israel a pariah state in light of their neighbors is the clearest indication of this psychopathy. Arabs are committed to an obscurantist medieval savagery, and yet Israel who offers their Arab citizens the right to vote are the problem? If not for the crazed genocidal tendencies of the Arabs there would be peace. The moment the Arabs decide that life is more precious than their devotion to death we can move on. Until then, hand out the rifles and pick a side.
they have captured Palestine by the help of USA and UK.i hope someday we could see free Palestine
GOD should punish mankind for his mistakes, he did it once to Adam and Eve for biting an apple !!! but he's not doing it again after all this massive horror and massacres, killings both sides of the inhabitants of Kan-an are inflicting on each other... THANX BUT I DON'T NEED A DOUBLE STANDARD GOD, WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALOTTA DOUBLE STANDARD LEADERS ON THIS WORLD LOL!
The whole land of Kan-an, Israel, Juda, Palestine should be leveled to the ground, and declared the forbidden land, Water should be let in from the Red sea to cover that damned land, so that humanity lives in peace and brotherhood... This whole my land is your land is my land is shit... GOOD EXCUSE FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER THOUGH LOL.
LOL that one hit the nail in the head. LMAO, I would put it under the category of substances of abuse.
The Jews didn't decide, it was their own place and their only place left where they could hope to stop getting killed by gentiles. Everybody else decided they had nowhere else anyway. They might have escaped the Holocaust if it had not been for a pincer movement between Hitler and thr Arab Husseini on one side, and the stinking British who blocked them from their own land. The British will fry in hell together with Hitler and the Arabs.
Atheism is not a mental disease, it is an intellectual disease. There is no basis for the atheistic belief system, which forces its subjects to hide their heads in the sand.
If you can make your claim to your ancestors' lands stick than go for it. The Jews have made it stick. It was the Muslim colonial invaders and occupiers who originally kicked the Jews off their land and forced them into servitude and colonized Jewish Palestine, and the Jews have never conceded them ownership nor have the Jews disappeared, while what you call the 'current inhabitants' were foreigners who came into Palestine after the Zionists started to rebuild the land and make it worth stealing once again.
You are the ignorant one. The Muslims of Palestine came to Palestine from Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Sudan, North Africa in the last century in response to the human and financial investment of the Jewish people in rebuilding their beloved homeland there. They were never Jews and were never Palestinian, except for a few thousand landless Bedouin marauders, landless migrant workers, and landless sharecroppers. There were also a few foreigners left over from past illegal conquests or imported by the foreign Turkish or Egyptian occupiers. And those very few legitimate Muslim residents of the Jewish homeland forfeited their rights by trying to kill the Jews there.
The jews have no right to Israel. So they lived there 2 thousand years ago or something, boo hoo. Does this mean i can travel to the town where my ancestors were dukes at about 900 years ago and claim it as mine? How does that make any sense whatsoever. Maybe they USED to live there. But that doesnt give them the right to forcefully take it from the current inhabitants. This isnt even about religion.
There is lots of ignorance in this world, where do you think the Muslims in Palastine/Israeal, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt came from? they are the same people who were Jewish then they converted to Christianity then most of them converted later to Islam, we are still the same people just our grand fathers decided to switch faith. A DNA study was done on some people from israel, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt, they all shared some strands of the same DNA, So let us stop the ignorance and label the Middle East conflict as an oil and power conflict and not as a religion or blood line one.
They didn't. The U.N. divided up the land after World War Two. The Jews needed somewhere to go--they had been evicted from their homes by the Nazis. It wasn't about escaping the Holocaust, it was about rebuilding after the Holocaust.
My understanding is that the kingdom of Judah seceded from Israel after King Solomon's rule - so actually there were two Kingdoms namely Israel and Judah - and what is today called Israel is actually the Kingdom of Judah revived - the tribes which made up Israel (10 altogether) have never been found again (hence lost) since it's capture by Assyria. It is said that Israel will rise again but the modern State of Israel is really only Judah, Israel (the real one) does not exist or is still to be revived, within modern Judah (i.e. Israel today) I am not sure.
Indeed it is true that Religion is divisive - but isn't that what Christ said he was doing anyway? Didn't he say unabashedly that he did not bring peace but division to the world?
"To deny this is to deny the promise of G-d and question his word and honesty." What? Can't you just say it? God. God. God. God. Not G-d. By the way. There is no God (or god).
"Religion is a mental disease..." It should be listed in the DSM-IV.
Firstly, the question needs to be reframed. Otherwise, the question has whacked the hornet's nest and run away. Israel did not sprout in a vacuum. Nor did Israel's "enemies". The current state of the middle east is the bastard of western opportunism. The whole mess is not a natural progression of its own internal struggles, aspirations, and capitulations, but as a frankinstein's monster of UK, USA, et al. The real question is: Would the world be better off if the middle east had NOT evolved under the hegemony of superpowers who formed protective covenants with the local elite in exchange for acquiescence to theft of the region's resources, and military occupation towards further imperialism? Yes it would. Israel, Iraq, and similar wreckless artifices would not even exist . . . and that would be fine. Islam would NOT have soured into fundamental religious belligerence in reaction to inequities and turmoil caused by these handcrafted religiously supercharged dichotomies. 911 would not have been necessary. Religion is a mental disease, fostered and sustained by the fear-mongering elite. Bible, Torah, Koran are hoxes. Religion has no place in a better world. It is important to know the truth of who, what, and why . . .-an American
This poll is completely bogus. It is worded in a way that is guaranteed to produce false results. It is confusing and misleading to ask if something is 'better' if something 'never'. Think about it. I bet on the order of half or more of the responses are from people who read this casually.I certainly think the world is BETTER off that Israel WAS formed, and I found myself therefore voting 'better' before figuring out the reverse-switcheroo in the question. The whole thing is offensive and partronizing anyway. Israel is the one and only legitimate cvountry in the entire region. All the rest were created with crayons on maps after World War I. Not one of them existed as a country, and not one of them was ruled by Arabs.Is the world better off that the Jews were evicted and excluded from historically Jewish trans-Jordan to form the 'Kingdom' of Jordan from eighty percent of Jewish Palestine? Dozens of thousands of people died to create and support that two-state solution fiasco.Is the world better off that Jews were evicted and excluded to form Southern Lebanon out of the northern region of Jewish Palestine? Hundreds of thousands have died to support that two-state solution fiasco, and many thousands are being oppressed and brutalized by the Arabs there to this day.Is the world better off that the terrorists were installed and institutionalized to form a 'Palestinian Authority' in the Jewish Palestinian heartland of Judea/Samaria, or historically Jewish Gaza?Is the world better off that Jews were eviceted and excluded from Gaza a couple of years ago?Is the world better off that Iraq was created Is the world better off that Iraq was originally formed out of several groups of people who hate each other and wasnt to dominate and kill each other?
Mr. Guest, you seem to be under three misapprehensions: A) Judaism is not Christianity; B) Christianity AND islam are based on Judaism. By your reasoning, if one is "shit", then all three are; C) Arabs are Caucasians, and Islam is also not their original religion.If and when "the end comes", each person will be judged on his or her individual merits.
the muslims you speak of were the ones who had injustices acted onto themgive me a break, you kicked people out
I'm sorry, but God also promised me a nice JB sushi roll last week and I still don't have it.Why wouldn't they have been attacked by Egypt, Jordan and Syria? People went there, kicked people out and said "This is Israeli land. You can still chill here though."They didn't just want to chill there.
Religion is divisive and has been the root of nearly all wars in human history. Israel was not a bright place to look for peace. The problem has been that few countries have welcomed jewish people throughout the 20th century. So was there really much of a choice for Jewish people? The British created the nation of Israel under the Balfour Declaration as part of their plan to keep the former ottoman empire divided and keep what they considered proto-christians in charge of jerusalem. The fault here can't be placed too hard on jewish people, but the world at large for not being more welcoming to people of different religions/creeds. However there are fanatics of all religions and many of the settlers displacing and treating the original citizens in present day Israel as second class citizens or the government of Israel destabilizing the region has been a disaster. Please let moderation and reason triumph over fanaticism and religion... 2000 years is a long time to be pissed off about losing your home. How about the caananites for example what about their claims to the region or all the others that occupied that stretch of land over the last 3000 years?
First of all, occupation is not the correct term for it... The land belonged to the jewish people Second of all, disease? please... The way Muslims treat women in inhuman and I dont see no polls arguing the existance of their nations
oh I see.... and the way the muslims behave is totally acceptable then??? give me a break
The founding of Israel is the pivotal event in the eventual spreading of civilisation to all the world. Backwardness, intolerance, and anti-modernism as represented in the Islamic world will be seen by all to have failed. Progress will be slow and rocky, but Israel will prevail and eventually be accepted by its neighbours as they reform their faith
Uh? What nation did they displace? Palestein? No such nation existed. You should really read up on your history before the 1960's. Oh and by the way there brainiac, you do know that nearly all of the Arab countries were supporting the Nazi's during WW2? Cant seem to find a connection there? Not suprised.
Isreal is not a christian country you moron.
No, the Jews were forcibly removed by the Romans long before Islam came along.
The world would be better place without them - The Christian religion is a piece of lies and shit and is not the original religion of the Caucasians. When the End is coming, remember ...
Because of the way israel now behaves.
Judaism and Israel gave the world the Torah. This is the bible that both Judaic and Christian religions observe and accept. This is the testement that says Hashem gave Israel to the Jewish people. To deny this is to deny the promise of G-d and question His word and honesty. When the independent Jewish State of Israle was formed in 1948 the Israelis offered to be inclusive of all religions. The response was to be attacked by Egypt, Jordan and Syria the following day. Perhaps the world would have been better off if Egypt, Syria, and Jordan did not exist. Islam was formed 1,900 years after Moses and the Jewish people returned to Israel. When it comes to religion Islam is the new kid on the block. Seniority, alone, let alone the promise of G-d, gives Israel to the Judaic people.
Please keep in mind that the Koran says that Israel should exists, and thus Moslems who believe in the Koran may actually support the formation of Israel. For example: "And thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd,'" the Koran says in 17:104, The Night Journey. Another relevant verse is from Sura 5, verses 20 and 21: “Remember when Moses said to his people: O my people, remember the favors that God bestowed on you when he appointed apostles from among you, and made you kings and gave you what had never been given to any one in the world. Enter then, my people, the Holy Land that God has ordained for you.”
The Holy Land was their land. You think you know better than the thousands of years of accumulated human knowledge? You think because your generation empty values and hedonistic self-indulgent selfishness is void of spirituality that everybody else is wrong? You're an ass.
If the Jews hadn't decided they NEEDED this particular place, a lot of violence and strife could have been avoided. I don't see why that would have been a good option for escaping the holocaust, except for purely religious reasons. And even that is questionable!
Israel should have reformed in a different place . . . such as in the center of Australia . . . or Greenland . . . or the moon. Forget about holy land . . . holy stuff is toxic . . . Swiss cheese is the only holy stuff worth bothering about . . .
Didn't the Holy Land belong to the Jews before they were displaced by muslim/arab aggression?
Perhaps most countries in the world were formed by the displacement of a previous group of people. This is history. For example, the U.S. was formed by the displacement of the indigenous peoples. Many people (at least in the West) would consider the existence of the U.S. as a good thing. Or would you feel that it would better if the U.S. had never formed? Some people say that the colonization of India by the British was actually good for many in India, in terms of education, the suppression of wife burning, etc. British made it much easier to travel across India and also accelerated agriculture, through large- scale irrigation works and industrialization so that almost no famine existed in British colonial India. In the final analysis, don’t a lot of the top scientists and innovation and democracy and women’s rights come from the “West,” in modern times.
The formation of Israel by a colonialist power and through terrorizing the existing population was unjust. The victims have been continuously terrorized collectively with the blessing of US's criminal government...Palestinians have been subject to collective punishment and over a hundred illegal Jewish settlement have been built in the occupied territories alone. So how can forming a nation by displacing another be considered good for the world, especially a cruel, heartless Zionist Jewish nation.
Israel was formed in Middle East in a very organised way by Americans and Britains so that they can control arab world from there.
The world would be better off if the chump who came up with the ridiculous concept of "god" had been eaten by predators.....
I don't think peace is boring.
No just a world without jew!....hehehe ok just a joke had to get it outta da way.
A world without Israel would be perfect for you?
Why not make a poll "would it be better for the world if Finland did not exist?" or sweden, or estonia? Why are you picking on israel???
That's almost like suggesting to cure their disease (the things you named) with another disease (Israeli occupation)
I think that the state of Israel would have been better off if they founded it somewhere else. Personally, if after world war II, they gave the city of Konigsberg in East Prussia (which the Germans were forced to abandon) to the Jews, or some other German city, then that would have been a far better solution.
Wonder what Cliff is reading to ask this question?
I wonder what would have happened if they went to Africa or South America instead...
Well, the sad part is they did try to leave Israel. For years they were a weak, hated, discriminated minority, suffering from anti-Semitism well before the Nazis even, and later butchered during the holocaust.
I think that Jews were right to leave Israel at some point in History and go to Europe. There are certainly more Jews in Europe and the US than there are in Israel, and I like to think that they are welcome and valuable as a part of western civilization. Their presence in the middle east works against them, it works against the Arabs, and it has been profoundly expensive for the United States. Israel is a tiny country -- like 6,000,000 people -- and nearly half of all US aid goes to them every year. Over the last 60 years, adjusted for inflation and counting private philanthropy in the US, we've given Israel nearly $1,000,000 per citizen. At this point, their economy couldn't function without the $2 Billion in foreign aid that we provide every year, nor the estimated $3 billion in philanthropy that Israel receives. ($5 billion for 6 million people every single year!).
worse off if israel didn't get their land back....
Although I am sympathetic to the difficulties of the Palestinians, on the whole, the world is probably better off with the existence of Israel as a homeland for the Jews. I hope that in the future two states can live side by side. Today, who wants a peaceful 2-state solution more, the Palestinians or the Israelis?
The world would be worse off, because the Mideast area of the will benefit (in the long run) by observing the productivity or "advancement" of a society that stresses equality of the sexes amidst (some) surrounding societies that may actually condone death to apostates who convert from Islam and where "honor killing" of women may still takes place.
the answer is no. because a perfect world would be just.
It's a complex question. Maybe "the world" would have had it better, but the jews would have had it much worse. Saying the world would have been better off without Israel, is a little like saying the world would have been better off if everyone was the same, because then there would be no ground for conflict. What a boring world that would be.